Imagine an America without black people.

It’s easy if you try.

Far-right blogger Lawrence Auster is hosting another of his fascinating conversations on race (just in time for the Fourth of July).

This is why I love reading Auster. His combination of Ivy-League erudition, stunning frankness and intense racialism – plus his fervent opposition to the “bigotry” of anti-Semitism – provides an ongoing study in the meaning of whiteness.

The latest conversation began Tuesday night with an email from “Ben W.” focusing on “the antagonistic behavior and negative culture of the black race in America.”

“Perhaps it is time to reconceptualize the American model psychologically, culturally, and theologically by factoring out the black race,” Ben W. wrote. “Just as it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Western society, it has been impossible to integrate the black race as well.

“The psychological, social, legal and economic costs of ‘containing’ the black race have been staggering,” he continued, “and not worth the effort.”

Ben W. proposes no concrete action now... except to dare to imagine “factoring the black race out of America.”

Mr. Auster responded: “Nothing this radical on the black issue has ever been posted at [this blog]. Many will say that Ben’s ideas are racist, evil, and totally out of the question, both morally and practically. But can anyone gainsay his premises?”

Auster went on: “[I]s it not the case that black America, as an organized community, is endemically hostile to America and whites, and... will always be so?”

In Lawrence Auster’s perfect world, black people “could live in America and have their rights as individuals protected”... but “black organizations and public cultural expressions would only be recognized and allowed to the extent that they showed loyalty to America.”

Below are excerpts from the consequent comments:

ADELA G.: ... My wanting an America with far fewer blacks in it has nothing to do with my personal history with black individuals, which has been overall only slightly more negative than my history with whites. (And in fairness, I must add that I know several black people of whom I am very fond and I believe that fondness is mutual.)

It’s blacks as a group that I find too chaotic to live with or interact with. It is this group that I don’t want in American in any significant number. ...

LAWRENCE AUSTER: Blacks are not immigrants, and I can’t conceive of any means by which we make them leave, or where we would send them.

ADELA G.: ... I didn’t mention “making” them leave and, except for dismantling those government programs that promote and subsidize a sense of entitlement based on race, I wasn’t alluding to any governmental or official action, certainly not a policy of forced deportation. Surely you didn’t infer I was hoping white militias would drive blacks into the sea!

... [I]t’s not a question of making blacks leave. It’s a question of creating and maintaining a cultural climate that makes it clear any sense of racial grievance is unwelcome. ...

CLEM: ... I don’t have the answer but I do realize that we must pursue something in this direction. Unless we miscegenate (unfortunately many people see this as the panacea) to the point of all being Borg, what we are currently doing will not and is not working.

The only thing our current path in this country will do is lead to the destruction of the U.S. and of us. ...

AUSTER: A funny thought just occurred to me. We’re all aware of how, despite white America’s good will toward blacks, and staggering efforts to help advance them... the core of the black community continues to see whites as evil oppressors who are conspiring to commit genocide against blacks. ...

That being the case, if white America really began to take away blacks’ privileges and reduce their power and influence, as proposed above, what could the blacks say about whites, that they’re not already saying? The blacks ALREADY believe that we’re trying to harm them in all kinds of horrible ways. ...

BEN W.: ... I don’t have a clear and distinct idea (as Descartes would [put] it) of what “factoring the black race out of America” means.

It might have psychological elements (i.e. no more Hollywood films with black protagonists). It might have economic components (such as no affirmative action or extended welfare programs). It might have legal consequences such as restricting race-based churches from issuing from the pulpit hateful statements against the U.S. ...

These are all practical and incremental steps towards factoring out the racial presence of an antagonistic group.

On a broader scale, it would mean the dismantling of ghetto neighborhoods and dispersal. Where that would lead, I do not know. ...

MARK J.: The present situation with regard to blacks (and Mestizos, Muslims, and other alien peoples in our nation) is unsustainable, but I respectfully argue that the time when whites could maintain the existing system of government while implementing the kinds of changes you’re proposing has passed.

All race-based preference programs need to disappear, and it has to become legal once again to discriminate in employment, housing, and accommodations based on race. But the prohibitions against that kind of discrimination are so deeply embedded now in our laws and established interpretations of the Constitution that it would almost certainly require a series of constitutional amendments to make it legal to discriminate again. ...

Even were such changes possible, we would need to take away the right of blacks and other minorities to vote, because as long as they could vote, we would eternally be at risk of losing control of our nation if they reproduce faster than we do. ...

I think the only alternatives are a civil war or the devolution of the U.S. into another Brazil and the end of the white race as a significant civilizational force.

My bet is on a civil war, when the majority of whites have finally had enough of the corruption, violence, and poverty that comes with sharing a nation with alien people....