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25 comments:
i could only watch 1.2 minutes of that asshole reverend attacking michelle obama for her looks! digesting!!
I guess I have a question. If Sen. Obama had not decided to run for President, but another non-black Democratic candidate appeared who espouses every position Barack does now, has similar charisma and political experience, would the black population vote unanimously for this person?
The majority of black men subscribing to this blog, including Nulan, Fisher & Starnes, should not vote for Barack Obama. According to them, black men are getting a bad (and untrue) rep for not supporting their fatherless families.Barack disagrees with them. Therefore Barack is lying in their eyes. So how could these three gentlemen vote for a liar? Speaking at the Apostolic Church of God in Chicago, Obama said: "We need fathers to realize that responsibility doesn't just end at conception. That doesn't just make you a father. What makes you a man is not the ability to have a child. Any fool can have a child. That doesn't make you a father. It's the courage to raise a child that makes you a father."
This might alienate a very few black men, but from a pragmatic point of view, the sort of guys alienated by this probably don't make up a strong voting block in the first place (and they'd certainly never vote for John McCain). But the speech should strike a chord with middle- and upper-class blacks and black women of all economic stripes. It will probably also impress a number of white voters.
Too each his own and every man is intitle to his own opinion. President Obama don't care either.
Mr. ATLAH is color struck.
mr. Cosby: The problem with Obama's Father's day speech wasn't so much the content, but the clear and crass usage black men to get white votes. You ought to read Ishmael Reed's latest on that subject and you'll see what I'm talking about.
David,
Where do you dredge up this mendacious element that insists on keeping my name in its mouth, and simultaneously, projects all manner of its solipsist delusions on me?
CRC/VinceSpence - Baraka was pandering to the likes of you in that speech, period. As the economic clampdown accelerates out of poor Black ghettos and across American suburbs, exurbs, and the great rural sprawl - no amount of pandering will suffice to distract you from the spectacle you'll witness in which the scots/irish roots of all American social pathology are made abundantly clear.
In fact, I guarantee you'll see a few amphetamine-fueled pathologies that poor Black folks in the most dire straights - as the proverbial canaries in the American coal mine - have never even imagined, much less countenanced.
You would be far better served doing both your evangelical and your scapegoating mischief closer to your demographic home bubby.
Hmmm, UBM, I hope with the use of the word "colored", you're not insinuating that in order to be considered a true "Black" (or African American if you prefer) you automatically have to be for Obama. How is that any different from the notion that all women should have been for Hillary by virtue of their shared gender? Or that all White men should be for McCain and against both Obama and Hillary. You're not insinuating that are you, because if so you're not helping your candidate's cause. Racial or gender polarization isn't going to get him elected.
re: 1st vid. She's entitled to her own opinion, but I think those are some weak ass excuses.
If you're going to NOT vote for B when you were going to vote for H you really need a better reason than "issues" (they are pretty damn much the same) and "experience". She doesn't have any either. NO, being a wife of something isn't the same thing. Would you hire the wife of a CEO, engineer, etc. to do their job?
So where is her magical "experience" coming from? That extra 4 years in the Senate outweighs Obamas 7 or 8 in the state senate by THAT much, really? If anything I'd say that makes them pretty close.
Re: the second video. I only sat through about half of it, but he seems to be being pretty respectful about suggesting how to make smear videos, about as much as you'd expect anyway....hey, everyone needs a hobby.
Re: The third guy. Wow, what a cruel little fuck that guy is. What's his deal? Is he like one of those scammer televangelists? I checked out his home page and it looked something like that.
I stopped at the point where he was confessing to leaving his children and having kids out of wedlock and all that.
Where's Sgt. Waters when you need him?
Great post from baldilocks . . .
June 14, 2008
Black Conservatives: Don't Fall For It
One of today's Yahoo News headlines informs us that 'Black conservatives [are] conflicted on Obama campaign.' Armstrong Williams, Rep. J.C. Watts, General Colin Powell, Senator Edward Brooke and, sadly, my friend Joseph C. Phillips may be falling into the trap which I have repeatedly described--one lined with pride and with fear: pride of race and fear that Obama is the last chance for a black president to be elected. (GOPAC chairman Michael Steele isn't going for the okey doke, however; but that may be only due to his position.)
People say that women have problems thinking objectively and strategically. Well, I'm seeing a whole group of men who are having that problem. Friends, you're letting the nearness of a dream's seeming fulfillment blind you to what will likely come after that ephemeral happiness is dissipated, after the novelty has worn off: the nightmare.
And guess who will get blamed for that short-sightedness? Not just you.
With 90+ percent of black Americans voting Democrat regardless of who the candidate is, it will be bad enough as it is. But I, for one, expect you, black conservative Republican men to have enough balls to stand on principle, not on your emotions. You've shown your testicular fortitude by being publicly conservative against a tide of Identity Politics. Don't start behaving like castrati now.
Stop thinking selfishly. We're not choosing a President of Black American Dream Fulfillment; we're choosing a President of the United States.
http://www.luoamerican.com/baldilocks/2008/06/one-of-todays-y.html
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Blind loyalty to the Democrat party - ask yourself, where has it gotten your people?
Blind loyalty to the Democrat party - ask yourself, where has it gotten your people?
*your* people?
Don't you mean your fellow Americans?
You, phelps, josh farst aka (whoredaddy), cosby, and all the other clumsy, foot-in-mouth, pointy sheet-wearing asshats are simply beyond hopeless.
Before mr. *your* people and the asshat boy's glee-club tune up for additional volleys of kneejerk self-justifying stupidity - they should one-and-all ponder that *your* people shit just long enough to understand that THAT is precisely why NOTHING they will ever have to say on ANY subject warrants additional consideration.
You and your filthy, morally diseased enmity are the root cause and continuing sustenance for the rejection and distrust that you intentionally and continuously invite. Now that you've made yourselves hated by the overwhelming majority of the planets denizens, what you gonna to save yourselves from yourselves?
danm, I need to come visit this site more often. Good people here already (giving a 'sup to jjbrock!).
^ Welcome, BrotherKomrade.
... I hope with the use of the word "colored", you're not insinuating that in order to be considered a true "Black"... you automatically have to be for Obama.
No indeed, Neptune. I can definitely understand why a black conservative wouldn't vote for Obama (too liberal). I can also understand why a black radical wouldn't vote for Obama (not liberal enough).
But if you're a Democrat who would've voted for Hillary Clinton, but you won't vote for Barack Obama, and you're black... I just wonder what's up.
(I refer, of course, to videos 1 and 2 only. Pastor Manning is insane.)
Reverend Ruckus?
The surprising thing about milestone moments is where the lines get drawn.
Some of this surprises me, much of it doesn’t.
First: the “self-hating” blacks who are vocally opposed to Obama are often the same people who stand to lose the most (power) when Obama wins in November.
Consider this: If you have a reverend, politician, or civic leader whose entire power is based on the idea that that black man/woman can’t get a fair shake in America, what happens to your power when a black man wins a landslide election for the presidency?
On the one side, you will see many so-called black “leaders” who will try to shaft Obama for their own self-interest; and on the other you will have people like my dad: a 77 year old white man who has voted Republican since Eisenhower, who is now convinced that an Obama victory is the best thing for America (and who will be jumping parties for the first time in 56 years).
Since Obama is going to win (and win big) in November, and since he WILL be the first black President of the United States (sorry Bill), race is going to be an issue one way or another. It cannot be avoided. Nor, frankly, should it be avoided.
Will Obama win 99% of the black vote? Of course he will. Will many black folk be voting for him because he’s black? Of course. Is there a problem with that? Not at all.
When John Kennedy ran for President, you had the Irish coming out of the woodwork with pride. They saw it as a victory for the Irish. When Sandra Day O’Conner was appointed to the Supreme Court, you had the woman jumping for joy, because she (as the first woman Justice) was a victory for women.
The Obama victory in November will be an important moment in our nation’s history. It will be cause for celebration for all people, black white green or red.
Will there continue to be people who oppose Obama for crazy reasons? Sure, but that’s the case with all politicians.
Thankfully, history doesn’t wait for unanimity.
But if you're a Democrat who would've voted for Hillary Clinton, but you won't vote for Barack Obama, and you're black... I just wonder what's up.
Gotcha. I know someone Black who was a hardcore Hillary supporter and currently loathes Barack with the heat of a thousand suns. I don't get it either except that they are an evangelical type and may unknowingly be more of a Repub. Whatever, I didn't support either of the Dem frontrunners but I certainly don't want to see four more years of the nightmare we have now. But I object to the presumption that Blacks must be expected to vote a certain way.
Oh and dear "you know who", I'm confused. Is your problem with Obama that he's Black or that he's a Democrat? Or that you're not sure which trumps the other? Don't worry, the boys named in the post you cited aren't likely leave the reservation and vote for Obama. There aren't enough Black Republicans to make a difference either way.
But if you're a Democrat who would've voted for Hillary Clinton, but you won't vote for Barack Obama, and you're black... I just wonder what's up.
This is the only time you'll ever see me raising an eyebrow when it comes to black Obama haters; Obama's a centrist like Hilary, he will denounce radical Islamists and praise Isreal - like Hilary, he had dirty people arounsd him like Rezko, Hilary had whitewater and the Iraq vote to go to war, Obama has some ties to a 60s radical leftist - Hilary's husband pardoned 60s radical leftist...etc. So what's the difference here? Oh, I forgot...the white man's ice is colder. Hilary's white - she must be smarter or rather, ...more experianced.
Oh, mad props to UBM for busting that cooter that ran the fake Obama blog.
Thanks!
CNulan asked:
Where do you dredge up this mendacious element that insists on keeping my name in its mouth, and simultaneously, projects all manner of its solipsist delusions on me?
LOL! Hilarious. Who walking down the street uses words like "mendacious" and "solipsist"?
David, how does a nice guy like you stay in the middle of such controversy all the time?
I do lennieg, along with any number of other folks who love language and aren't afraid to use it.
Why would I do otherwise, to cater to chickenheads and dumbasses?
Been sitting on the sidelines since my boy went on a random hotness/wrongness, comedy/music clip, Beatle trivia kick. But then my name had to get dragged into this without the muthafucka knowing where my head is on Obama.
cnulan, thanks for holding it down.
Regarding the videos on this post, I guess they serve to show that the Black voter is not part of a monolithic bloc. Part of the reason, white people and Black candidates shouldn't take us for granted.
The sista didn't make any sense and was obviously a guest because she presented a Black voter who doesn't support Obama. Sounds like she can get turned around before November though.
The young brotha in clip #2 fell for the same hype 90% of the public fell for with a fixation on Rev. Wright and the six degree guilt by association assholic Venus trap. He's lost but obviously has some intelligence. Hope he finds his way in the near future.
The Pastor. Well ... do we really need to dignify his comments? Even if you support McCain, his rant is so off-base. He's got some self-hatred issues that neither God or a good shrink can solve.
Finally, don't fucking label me. And don't presuppose you know where I'm coming from until you ask me.
I can tell you one thing that bothers me about Obama and I saw it coming during that Reverend Wright fuckery.
Every other week, he's condemning something. This week, it's Wes Clark's statement about McCain. First of all, Wes Clark was right. McCain's time in the military doesn't make him any more qualified to be President than Obama. People seem to equate military experience with the ability to be a Commander in Chief. There's a reason the Constitution set up civilian control of the military. Further, being the Commander in Chief is one aspect of the job. The complete thought is the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces - not the people. Ultimately, a president, as well as all elected officials, are servants of the people. They may be leaders in the government but they don't lead us. They're supposed to do what we want them to do. This ain't a goddamn dictatorship, alright?
Second, Obama needs to grow some balls and tell the pundits and critics this: if you don't like what one of my supporters has to say about my opponent, talk to that muthafucka - because he's the one that made the comment.
People like General Clark and Reverend Wright are big boys. They can handle their own. Otherwise, deal with Obama's speech and actions.
He's getting into a real weak pattern of pandering and apologizing. Knock that shit off!
Oh, mad props to UBM for busting that cooter that ran the fake Obama blog.
Thanks, BrotherKomrade.
David, how does a nice guy like you stay in the middle of such controversy all the time?
Lynn... I often wonder.
AND IT DON'T STOP.......Local Road Sign Draws Comparison Between Obama, Monkey
POSTED: 5:54 pm EDT July 7, 2008
UPDATED: 6:59 pm EDT July 7, 2008
PAULDING COUNTY, Ga. -- A road sign that draws the comparison between presidential candidate Barack Obama and a monkey is drawing complaints in Paulding County. A family who saw the sign while heading to a bike ride on the Silver Comet Trail told Channel 2 the sign is offensive and should be removed. But the man who put it up said he has no intention of doing that.
A woman going on a bike ride said she found a sign that says, “A monkey. A Obama. Is there a difference,” hateful and disturbing.
“Just shocked. Just shocked basically, saddened by it,” said the woman who did not want to be identified.
Patrick Lanzo, the owner of the Georgia Peach Oyster Bar, put up the message on his sign. He said he has no regrets or apologies.
TOM REGAN: Message On Sign Compares Obama To Monkey
“They’re still entitled to put their own sign up. I mean, if it offends them, fine, but in the United States we still have free speech and it’s the only thing that hasn’t been taken from us,” said Lanzo.
Channel 2’s Tom Regan asked Lanzo if he was racist and he said he wasn’t. He did say he allowed the Ku Klux Klan to use the property behind his bar for rallies but added that a gay rights group was also invited on one occasion.
Lanzo had a framed photo of a sign he posted about the Michael Jackson acquittal – which used the “N” word. That sign drew protests from the NAACP and unsuccessful demands for authorities to have it taken down.
“I believe in your right and my right or anybody else’s right to say what they want without being criticized as being a racist,” said Lanzo.
Some nearby residents said they believe Lanzo posting inflammatory statements brings down the entire neighborhood. “I see it more or less as representing that community,” said one man.
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