Undercover Black Man: Lyndon LaRouche is nutty as fuck.

Saturday, July 18, 2009

Lyndon LaRouche is nutty as fuck.

And so are his “LaRouche Youth” acolytes.

38 comments:

quirkychick said...: These people accosted me in front of Whole Foods right when the banks were starting to fail. They wanted me to give them money and when I told them I would need to do research before I handed over any cash they chased me through the parking lot right up to the door screaming obscenities at me.

Three people who were eating lunch on the patio followed me into the store to see if I was okay and the manager called the police.

I did the research and he is a scary dude. Apparently his followers are "trained" to do this when they're out proselytizing for him.

Now when I go to Whole Foods and their are people out front with clipboards, I pretend I'm talking on my cell phone.; July 18, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Undercover Black Man said...: ^ Good Lord... what could be more obnoxious?

These people are brainwashed. And that's about the only thing interesting about them... the mind-control techniques they've been subjected to, and which they try to employ.; July 18, 2009 at 2:38 PM
CNu said...: hmmm...,

Aside from negrodamus blowing hard for about 5 minutes longer than the youtube attention span will support, I missed the nutty as fuck parts.

Could you please point out to me the parts of that talk that redlined your "nutty as fuck"-O-meter?

Thanks.; July 18, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Undercover Black Man said...: ^ Straight out the gate, Craig. How about drawing a Hitler moustache on Obama's photo and referring to him as "the fascist"?

The LaRouchies elsewhere refer to Obama as "President Hitler" while bemoaning his "pro-Nazi" health-care proposals.; July 18, 2009 at 4:05 PM
CNu said...: hmm...,

Yeah, it's hyperbolic, borrowing as it does its cue from the Sarah Palin playbook.

But nutty as fuck?

Are you addressing this in terms of its rhetorical or historical license?

Seems to me that a MASSIVE federal bailout program that here-to-date has only been of benefit to the likes of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan-Chase smacks an awful lot of the corporatist benefactors of and beneficiaries of national socialism.

I mean, no serious student of history imagines that Hitler et al were a sui generis political production.

Nah.

They were the face and fist of something that had been brewing in elite corporate German circles for decades.

Hitler was the smiling, charismatic face of that movement.

Please tell me how exactly our president - clearly a product of the deep state Brookings Institutional machinery i.e., an elite establishment vehicle that watches, waits, and then acts with a decades long political frame of reference - is substantively different in July 2009 than Hitler was in July 1933?; July 18, 2009 at 4:32 PM
sunsetcliff said...: I happen to agree with Larouches 4 powers agreement plan. It may come as a shock - but we are controlled by the British Empire.

I had a fall out too with one of his people in the 80s.

But 2009, his ideas have evolved, life is not about monetization.

We are governed by Goldman Sachs.

Not by the people.

Study the ideas of his site.

http://larouchepac.com/; July 18, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Satyrblade said...: Um, CNu? How about jackbooted barroom thugs, anti-Semitic hate books, conspiracy theories co-opted from Czarist Russian crackpots, a fanatical devotion to Wagner's Teutonic superiority ideal, a belief in Germanic occultism, militaristic leanings, a "national strengthening" program based on scapegoating ethnic minorities, racial purity rhetoric, and that little bit about Hitler being a white supremicist y'know, for starters?

Oops - I appear to have been describing the traits of recent conservative politicians, not Obama. How silly of me...

(PS: Please pick up a history book or three before using the words "national socialist" in a sentence again. It seems to me that a "serious student of history" such as yourself might recognize the difference between health care reform and a beer-hall putsch.); July 18, 2009 at 5:46 PM
quirkychick said...: What I found when I did the research is that while I agree with some, maybe much, of what he's saying (at a bottom line level), there's a level of hysteria about how he's saying it and that combined with his methodology for getting his message out - training people to direct aggressive and abusive screaming in my face - is not only off putting, but also gives me a sense that he's nutty as fuck despite his obvious intelligence.

That's what makes him scary to me.; July 18, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Undercover Black Man said...: CNu: Isn't it the case that every U.S. president is "an elite establishment vehicle"? One can't become a major-party nominee without financial support from the "elite establishment."

What does that have to do with Hitler?; July 18, 2009 at 6:18 PM
CNu said...: How about jackbooted barroom thugs,

hmm..., how bout continuation of the war on drugs and more folks behind bars than the rest of the world combined?

anti-Semitic hate books,

GWOT continues unabated...,

conspiracy theories co-opted from Czarist Russian crackpots,

see item 2. - co-opted from neocon crackpots

a fanatical devotion to Wagner's Teutonic superiority ideal,

wait, the continuing U.S. hyperconsumption of irreplaceable natural material resources and militarily backed appropriation of the same doesn't constitute an intrinsic superiority complex?

a belief in Germanic occultism,

ok, you got me there....,

militaristic leanings,

nothing in world history compares with the U.S. warsocialist apparatus. Nothing even comes close.

a "national strengthening" program based on scapegoating ethnic minorities,

that's been shown to be bad for business. nowadays, you simply let the marginal millions fall by the wayside, into the cracks, and don't deal with them at all, unless of course their headed for one of your hundreds of for-profit prisons.

racial purity rhetoric,

hmmm..., I haven't really heard the backing down from American exceptionalism yet. mebbe you're privvy to data I'm missing out on?

and that little bit about Hitler being a white supremicist y'know, for starters?

of course, it could always be much, much worse. I mean, it could be the grinning, winking, gibbering face of plaid flannel nationalism from wasilla, rather than the charismatic and inclusive exemplar of american nationalism uber alles, right?

If you have a substantive argument to make about differences in American and Nazi militarism, foreign adventurism, economics, or otherwise, I'd be happy to read those, but the window dressing you put up wasn't really worth the response satyrblade.

try harder.; July 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM
sunsetcliff said...: Why do Americans think we are immune to the follies of history?

[link]http://www.thefinancialtube.com/video/4345/dissolve-congress[/link]

I support local control. Not globalism.; July 18, 2009 at 6:23 PM
CNu said...: We are governed by Goldman Sachs.

sunsetcliffe brings some heat and light.

now don't get me wrong, I'm not a LaRouche fan and I've had in depth first hand exposure to his shenanigans from back in the day.

That said, I don't hear too many folks in the mainstream pointing out the extraordinary goings on with Goldman Sachs - and for those of us who look a bit more deeply than USA Today headlines, those are some mighty funky goings-on indeed.

This bit here transcends even a national socialist (fascist) wet dream...,; July 18, 2009 at 6:29 PM
CNu said...: One can't become a major-party nominee without financial support from the "elite establishment."

As long as you're in agreement with one of the foundation stones of LaRouche's claim that you live in a fascist plutocracy rather than a pseudo-democratic republic.

Guess that puts you a little bit deeper in the "nutty as fuck" camp David.; July 18, 2009 at 6:32 PM
CNu said...: The Fourth Reich features kneegrows in jackboots. cause, well, power has evolved that way in the intervening 70 years....,

Changing the appearance of a thing doesn't necessarily change its nature.; July 18, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Undercover Black Man said...: sunsetcliffe brings some heat and light.

And LaRouche links!; July 18, 2009 at 6:51 PM
sunsetcliff said...: quirkychick

I agree with you. The screaming and pushiness of his people are a turn off.

In the 80s, I ran into his followers at the post office in Palos Hts IL. (Chicago).

They were offensive. I complained to the post office about it.

There is a time and place for proselyting.; July 18, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Undercover Black Man said...: nothing in world history compares with the U.S. warsocialist apparatus. Nothing even comes close.

Dude...; July 18, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Michael Fisher said...: LaRouche? That ex-Trotzkyite has been a bane on the national discourse since his first incarnation as the National Caucus of Labor Committees in the 1970's. If you wanna talk about a fascist - there's the prime example. These mofo used to have stormtroopers who would violently disrupt meetings everywhere. During our anti-apartheid activities in the 70s on campuses throughout the Northeast we used to have to set up armed guards just to make sure we could beat back physical attacks by these assholes.; July 18, 2009 at 8:15 PM
CNu said...: And LaRouche links!

you were expecting mebbe some Ron Paul?

As for the other - soviets in 1986?!?!?!?!

rotflmbao...,

c'mon mayne, next thing you know, you'll go to spritzin up the jernt with some of the gipper's lilac toilette water.

nothing compares....,

Now here's the thing, A. Philip Randolph went to FDR to demand something, and FDR turned to him and said, "Make me do it"....
Amy Goodman from Democracy Now, .

Get at me when your boy shows some sign, some faint indication of being anything more than a smooth corporatist stooge. I'll keel over and die if he dares utter a Rooseveltian challenge "Make me do it" to hold his feet to the fire and make it politically feasible for him to engage in people-centric leadership instead of the corporatist relationship management and public relations he's exhibited thus far.; July 18, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Undercover Black Man said...: - soviets in 1986?!?!?!?!

Had you lived in Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania -- not to mention Afghanistan -- you wouldn't be rolling on the floor laughing.; July 19, 2009 at 6:25 AM
CNu said...: quit cracking jokes.

If I lived in Cuba, Haiti, Mexico, Jamaica, Panama, Venezuela, IRAQ, Afghanistan, etc., etc., etc., I wouldn't have been - nor would I currently be - laughing either.; July 19, 2009 at 7:02 AM
Undercover Black Man said...: Craig. Big-picture time. Which was a greater force for human liberty and social prosperity during the 20th Century... the United States or the Soviet Union?; July 19, 2009 at 7:10 AM
CNu said...: No David - that's NOT a big-picture, it's just an untenably blurry-picture.

Greater Force - quantify?

Human liberty - huh?

Social prosperity - huh?

There are too many ways to approach an assessment of the Cold War and its results to boil them down into an ambiguous blur like the one you've cued up.

One observation, however, is very certain given the luxury of hindsight.

The old soviet system and the infrastructure that it spawned has already demonstrated its ability to endure collapse and come out on the other side remarkably intact with forward-looking prospects. I think you might find Dmitry Orlov illuminating on this subject.

The American system of production has been in slow motion collapse since the mid 1970's when real wages began to shrink. Now it's in the process of an accelerated collapse and unprecedentedly hard crash.

imoho - significant elements in the American warsocialist apparatus and demographic are going to make determined efforts to precipitate World War III rather than allow their unsustainable and "non-negotiable" way of life to wind down under its own unproductive inertia.

This desperate act will render them the greatest villains in the history of the human species. Obama may be helpless to stop this, but by donning the mantle of operational responsibility, he has made himself and by symbolic extension - Black folks in America - complicit in this act.; July 19, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Michael Fisher said...: ^Which was a greater force for human liberty and social prosperity during the 20th Century... the United States or the Soviet Union?

The USSR was a fascist entity without a modicum of non-arbitrary law.

The USA was preferable to live in. but a beacon of freedom it was not for black people and other non-whites.; July 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Undercover Black Man said...: Craig: For someone supposedly unable to distinguish between American and Nazi militarism, you're getting mighty picky about "ambiguous blurs" all of a sudden.

Human liberty - huh?

An experiment: Stand on a street corner in Washington, D.C., and talk shit about the United States government.

Then stand on a street corner in Havana and talk shit about the Cuban government.

I think the concept of "liberty" will make itself readily comprehensible.; July 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM
CNu said...: For someone supposedly unable to distinguish between American and Nazi militarism, you're getting mighty picky about "ambiguous blurs" all of a sudden.

supposedly unable?!?!?

I'm still waiting for you to show me the distinction.

Now that folks have further obfuscated the issue by sloppily conflating fascism and stalinism, though for the life of me I can't identify the corporations behind stalinism that profited and continue to profit from russian socialism - presumably they're there somewhere.

German fascist militarism was driven by economic collapse and collective desperation for natural material resources.

American fascist militarism is driven by the same factors, and those factors will become increasingly obvious over the next several months.

You see David, the problem here, much as the problem there was/is, is that the national collective psyche is inflexible while the functional and environmental context in which that collective zeitgeist must function is in accelerated flux.

You're about to experience the re-emergence of collective killer-ape tendencies much as the Germans experienced it 80 years ago.

An experiment: Stand on a street corner in Washington, D.C., and talk shit about the United States government.

Your conception of "liberty" consists of nothing more substantive than talk?

That's it?

That's all you got that's representative of "liberty" and "social prosperity"?

Get back at me when I'm within my "rights" to fire up a phatty on a street corner in Washington D.C. - AND - cultivate an urban vegetable garden on the commons without anybody else's permission - AND - talk shit.

Then we can talk about "liberty".

Until then, I'm inclined to believe that the distinctions you draw are purely narrative and semantic.; July 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Undercover Black Man said...: That's all you got that's representative of "liberty" and "social prosperity"?

No, Craig... but it's enough to demonstrate that you're poppin' shit.; July 19, 2009 at 1:18 PM
CNu said...: not quite, the urban gardening and phatty bits are perfectly acceptable in Havana.

Cuba - like Russia - is also a post collapse society and it managed to find the sustainable high ground because of its more explicit collectivism.; July 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM
CNu said...: Frankly, I don't think you have any first hand experience of "liberty" beyond the impotent freedom to talk shit.

DOING shit - with impunity - is a whole other ball'o'wax.

There's really little point in me arguing with you about it, as you'll bear witness to it first hand in the not too distant.

Particularly as your primary residence is in collapse ground zero....,; July 19, 2009 at 1:31 PM
CNu said...: btw - the Manhattan Project was the unequivocal original sin.

Everything else in the upward and outward spiral of tyrannical killer-ape one-ups-manship is an effect - rather than a cause.

now - perhaps in your "liberated" and "socially prosperous" system of the world, there is a credible ethical justification or even some or another flimsy excuse for the ultimate instrumentality of tyranny, but in my humble estimation, everything that follows from the "original sin" is an effect, rather than a cause.; July 19, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Undercover Black Man said...: There's really little point in me arguing with you about it, as you'll bear witness to it first hand in the not too distant.

Indeed, there's no point in us arguing, Craig. Because your arguments are based on something unfalsifiable. To wit: your doomsday daydream of vast economic and social collapse.

Even if you live a very long life, you'll probably swear on your death bed that such a cataclysm is right around the corner.

Thanks for giving a shot of life to my resuscitated blog, though.; July 19, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Undercover Black Man said...: Everything else in the upward and outward spiral of tyrannical killer-ape one-ups-manship is an effect -

If you're talking about the fundamentally flawed nature of man, then there's something we agree on.

But when it comes to the best type of society that imperfect humans are capable of creating... well, brah... I just say that you should kiss the soil every morning for being blessed among people to have been born in the U.S.A.

Cue Lee Greenwood.; July 19, 2009 at 2:14 PM
CNu said...: To wit: your doomsday daydream of vast economic and social collapse.

lol...,

ok David, if you say so.

but tell me this, when do you last recall a state, in fact a state with a GDP making it the 8th largest economy in the world, having to renege on its current financial obligations and issue scrip?

Even if you live a very long life

short of a russian nuclear first strike, which would most definitely target all this FAT infrastructure in KC that's a legacy of the Truman administration, I WILL undoubtedly live a very long life.

That's in the genes and the survivalist cultural memes I've spent the past 33 years assimilating and implementing.

what concerns me very greatly is the post bottleneck, post die-off prospects for my children.

Knowing what I know about the facts of the matter, Lyndon LaRouche and his true believers don't even begin to rise to the level of willful ignorance practiced by this administration and its uncritical adherents....,; July 19, 2009 at 2:42 PM
CNu said...: If you're talking about the fundamentally flawed nature of man, then there's something we agree on.

No.

I'm talking about the flaws inherent to a society which commits the intellect and awe-inspiring resources required to implement nuclear weapons, the only weapons of mass destruction known to humankind and the ultimate instrumentality of elite tyranny.

Everything after the fact of that primordial causal act is merely an effect or a rhetorical flourish.; July 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Michael Fisher said...: Comparing Hitlerism to Stalinism:

A Nazi bullet will kill you deader than a Communist bullet...; July 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM
dez said...: I can't believe this nutty mofo is still alive. Anyone remember the commercials he did when he was running for president many moons ago? He appeared to be leaning when standing, so much that I was afraid he would keel over any minute.

LaRouche is bugf*ck, y'all.; July 21, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Obamensch. said...: I agree with Obamo, we need change and he has given me the hope to see the light. We should not compare him to Hilter. He was a white austrian. Oboma is a half-black and some say he is sexy. Ma momma thinks he is a hunk. She said that Hitler was not a sexy man. I will research this laroche, see if he has to do with that perfume company. Man, that is fuckdup.; July 24, 2009 at 3:38 AM
Barack he da man said...: Freedum 4eva.; July 24, 2009 at 3:42 AM

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