tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post760698869099786771..comments2024-03-24T23:57:28.687-07:00Comments on Undercover Black Man: Stakes Be High, pt. 7Undercover Black Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-81604062976204396612008-04-12T17:17:00.000-07:002008-04-12T17:17:00.000-07:00Harmless? Not only does that non-sense fill kids w...Harmless? Not only does that non-sense fill kids with a world view that's down right mal-adjusted anywhere outside the NOI temple, what's worse is it corrupts the individual's morality as it makes up its own rules and rather than correct corruption within its organization, still, to this day seeks to silence individuals who "air the dirty laundry."<BR/><BR/>When I published a column in a Black newspaper in DC, I asked the question about the legacy of Farrakhan beyond the famous Million Man March. I also shared some of my personal experiences having grown up in the NOI as a third-generation child of the NOI. One of Farrakhan's goons tried to shut me down. He frightened the publisher so she told me not to write about the NOI anymore in her paper. The nerve. These guys are still using brass intimidation like they did in the 60s and 70s. I wrote about some of that foolishness in my memoir, "Little X", which the blogger here mentioned.<BR/><BR/>I've detailed more about the impact of that non-sense indoctrination in my new book, "Do Me Twice: My Life after Islam." (You can read excerpts from both books at www.sonsyrea.com.)<BR/><BR/>Of course I've counted as blessings, the discipline I learned and the training in being "uh" different. Weird is the word, for real. I can remember being at a family picnic with relatives not in the NOI trying to convince them mthe object we marveled at in the sky was "The Mother Ship." I tried explaining Elijah Muhammad's Mother Ship theory (not to be confused with Parliament's), and my folks thought I was a little nut!<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I think families in the NOI have been more harmed than helped - in most cases. Of course folks who aren't in the NOI and only marvel at the scrubbed public presentation would argue me down. But you have to ask why they're not IN it if they love it so much. <BR/><BR/>Of course many have gone through the NOI, learned a few lessons they needed to learn and were better for it. NOI stories are as varied as the individuals once in it. We've got thousands of stories to tell. <BR/><BR/>Is Farrakhan's rhetoric harmful? I would advise against indoctrinating children with his brand of foolishness. It's fine for adults who need a break from reality and need to revel in the angry words of a man who'd felt their pain. But consider this too, when we were in the NOI, we lived in crowded houses or apartnments and made major personal and family sacrifices to pay offerings to the leaders. We were buying Elijah Muhammad an airplane after affording him and his family a mansion. This kind of exploitation is just wrong, even when the exploiters are Black.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-78360478929462680682008-03-09T10:10:00.000-07:002008-03-09T10:10:00.000-07:00I will share with you a short-list of the 10-step ...I will share with you a short-list of the 10-step (or more) program for Black America:<BR/><BR/>1) take your savings and investments out of large corporate banks and place it in a Black-owned bank (like the Cubans have done-Banco Popular)and demand consistently good service and competitive rates. Hold them accountable. There's now even a couple of black owned internet banks.<BR/>2) join an orgnization (preferably not a church unless they are active in the communities where they are located because they suck up your time, money and energy)<BR/>3) vote consistently, especially in local elections<BR/>4) contribute to political campaigns for favorable candidates<BR/>5) hold local governments accountable for services in your community (especially city councils, police departments and school officials-call them all the time and attend community meetings.<BR/><BR/>There are other constructive steps we could take to transform our communities which I can share at another time.Mister Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16804791453253818382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-7534666839882917452008-03-04T13:29:00.000-08:002008-03-04T13:29:00.000-08:00Des:Sorry if my bus story came off as condescendin...Des:<BR/><BR/>Sorry if my bus story came off as condescending. Re-reading it, I can see how you might have gotten that impression. But I wasn't so much trying to highlight the wackiness of the NoI's ideas as the disconnect between the ideas and my lived experience while I was hearing them. <BR/><BR/>Like I said, the NoI's ideas don't seem any stranger to me than the Catholics', or the Buddhists', or the Jews', or the Evangelicals', or the Scientologists', or anybody else who tries to tell you they've got access to secret magical knowledge. And given the circumstances in which they were formed, I'm not really in a a great position to judge people who subscribe to them if they find the ideas helpful. From what I've seen, black America could do a lot worse than to sign up under Farrakhan's banner. <BR/><BR/>But even if the NoI is the ultimate solution to black liberation and empowerment, at some point, the disconnect between <I>a useful idea</I> and <I>the truth</I> will make itself known. White America has depended on useful lies for a long time: the inferiority of women and non-whites, the evils of homosexuality, the inexhaustibility of natural resources, the ability of capitalism to provide economic growth idefinitely. As these lies have begun to unravel, the costs of keeping the truth supressed has continued to grow and to consume more and more of white America's time and energy.<BR/><BR/>Even if the NoI really thinks it's going to prevail and avoid assimilation into white American culture, as happened to the Jews over the last 200 years, they would still do well to jettison the "tired" rhetoric of diabolical whiteness that Starnes talks about in the first comment above. In the long run, that kind of thinking can only hurt them, even if it once had a useful function. From what I understand, there has been some softening of the rhetoric in this area recently, and I think that's a positive development.Matt Norwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15303561722758722861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-9421224782947336662008-03-04T13:16:00.000-08:002008-03-04T13:16:00.000-08:00Shortness of useable time...Just a quick correctio...Shortness of useable time...<BR/><BR/>Just a quick correction Mr. Starnes.<BR/><BR/>David "PlasticDickhead" Duke most certainly does have a nationwide organization of devoted followers.<BR/><BR/>In fact, unlike NOI, Duke's organization is international.<BR/><BR/>Granted it isn't currently as well organized as NOI, or perhaps as devoted, but it does exist, and it is growing, again.<BR/><BR/>Stormfront and it's 200,000+ registered international members are just the tip of the iceberg.<BR/><BR/>===<BR/><BR/>Sorry guys, from my perspective Farrakhan is the same as Duke. <BR/><BR/>Just another cult leader using his flock to support his own chosen lifestyle.<BR/><BR/>NOI, on the other hand, in spite of its leadership's rhetoric has done something that Duke's many named organization has never done and will never do...<BR/><BR/>Be helpful to and within its own community. <BR/><BR/>Whereas Duke's people have a long and well documented record of extreme violence.<BR/><BR/>oh, and NOI dresses better then the Duke's skinheads.<BR/><BR/>BOWTIES?,<BR/>RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-15176355517160536232008-03-04T12:49:00.000-08:002008-03-04T12:49:00.000-08:00Vince,"How much blame would he apportion to the bl...Vince,<BR/><BR/>"How much blame would he apportion to the blacks and how much to the whites. I think you would be very surprised at the answer."<BR/><BR/>Considering the present state of Dr. King, I'd be surprised at ANY answer.<BR/><BR/>As for racism ending....May not end in my lifetime, but as we used to say in Calculus class, as Racism approaches Zero....the equation looks brighter in my eyes.Destructionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06435081526764245883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-56585807733369769342008-03-04T12:11:00.000-08:002008-03-04T12:11:00.000-08:00Des,Probably more a parable than a sermon. Just li...Des,<BR/><BR/>Probably more a parable than a sermon. Just like the 'wedding feast at Cana', there were no Jews or Pharisees mentioned - just wedding guests. There were no blacks or whites in my story. In this case, 20 years represents (slightly exaggerated) an inordinate of time that has passed.<BR/><BR/>Racist behavior is not ending in our lifetimes nor in our grandchildren's lifetime. White vs. black, Arab vs. Jew, black vs. white, ad infinitum. I have a problem with other people's racism. I have a problem with mine. However, if blacks (or Jews, Arabs, etc.) decide to postpone their own spiritual, emotional and financial growth until racism is totally eliminated, you will experience another 40 years of rather dubious progress.<BR/><BR/>Go back to my original point. Would Dr. King be pleased with the product of his labors 40 years after his assassination? How much blame would he apportion to the blacks and how much to the whites. I think you would be very surprised at the answer.Vince Spencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10761454912786879102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-63079634633208017222008-03-04T11:35:00.000-08:002008-03-04T11:35:00.000-08:00Matt,I did skim your mythology comment...and we're...Matt,<BR/><BR/>I did skim your mythology comment...and we're on the same page.... As we are on several other points raised...and that's why I only mentioned the portion I had a problem with....which was the bus riding segment. I found to be most condenscending. That strikes a nerve in me...thus my reaction.<BR/><BR/>You mentioned that you were both 13 and a law student....didn't know you were referring to Two separate times, thus the Dougie Howser remark.Destructionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06435081526764245883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-61727707955425516202008-03-04T10:21:00.000-08:002008-03-04T10:21:00.000-08:00des:"I've got a right to be hostile, my people bee...des:<BR/><BR/><I>"I've got a right to be hostile, my people been persecuted" Flavor Flav, P.E.</I><BR/><BR/>I didn't say you didn't have the right, des; I asked you <I>why</I> you're acting this way. As in, what cause are you advancing by being hostile toward me?<BR/><BR/><I>And on the subject of Demonizing, what do you think of this country's feelings towards Muslims? </I><BR/><BR/>Uh... I think it's fucked up? I'm not sure what you're looking for, des. Like I said, I'm not trying to compete with anybody for victim status. Trust me, I'd choose being a white man over being anything else in America, in a heartbeat. My story wasn't about being a victim; it was just a story about how race in America is weird, and growing up here, white or black, gives you some weird racial shit to process as a kid.<BR/><BR/>If you're trying to win some kind of competition with me, des: you win. I concede.<BR/><BR/>Now can we keep talking about the matter at hand?<BR/><BR/><I>Most religions contain mythology.</I><BR/><BR/>That was the main point of my first post, des, which you seem to have skimmed, but perhaps not read.<BR/><BR/>Maybe this conversation would be easier if you laid out the attitudes and beliefs you've attributed to me, so we can sort out which ones are true, which ones aren't, and where you got the impressions you did.<BR/><BR/>To review:<BR/><BR/>1. The topic of the thread is Farrakhan's relevance or irrelevance, brought up by the recent Obama litmus-test in the media.<BR/><BR/>2. My post was mostly a defense of Farrakhan and the NoI as a positive force, but it was also critical of the limitations of their position, especially when taken out of its native social context.<BR/><BR/>3. My post also agreed with deangelo in his point about how Farrakhan <I>qua</I> Farrakhan is a red herring to distract us from the actually relevant political issue, which is the impossible double standard black politicians are held to.<BR/><BR/>Now, if you need to vent some hostility toward something you think I represent, knock yourself out. It's the Internet, so nothing we say matters anyway, but do it if it helps you to get something off your chest.<BR/><BR/>When you're done, though, I'd really like to continue the conversation, because I'm into it.<BR/><BR/><I>Are you Dougie Howser? When you went to law school, how old were you?</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what this means. I grew up in DC, and I was there again as a law student in my late 20s, working for the Public Defender.Matt Norwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15303561722758722861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-85857763032203038102008-03-04T09:34:00.000-08:002008-03-04T09:34:00.000-08:00Vince,"For decades he has also abused and humiliat...Vince,<BR/><BR/>"For decades he has also abused and humiliated her." <BR/><BR/>This is not a good example. Can I have a better one pls? Who is supposed to be whom or what? Is the abuser to be taken as hardcore racist or does he represent racism incarnate? After more than 20 years, friends and authorities are just stepping in? Does the wife have serious psychological problems? Please?<BR/><BR/>And, btw, you've really got that whole "slavery" thing screwed up. Nobody wants to erase "slavery" from the past. Decent people have a problem with racism and racist behavior...and we refuse to put up with it. Hope that wasn't too simplistic?<BR/><BR/>And as for sermons, I'll take a sermon from Satan, if he's telling the irrefutable truth.<BR/><BR/>And speaking of MLK, did you know that he didn't believe in the Virgin Birth? Go Figure?<BR/><BR/>Matt,<BR/><BR/>"I've got a right to be hostile, my people been persecuted" Flavor Flav, P.E.<BR/><BR/>Are you Dougie Howser? When you went to law school, how old were you? And he probably wasn't referring to you. You were just a lil Devil-ette.<BR/><BR/>Most religions contain mythology.<BR/><BR/>And on the subject of Demonizing, what do you think of this country's feelings towards Muslims? Imagine what it's like dressed in "Muslim" garb, burying your head the Koran, riding a bus through the "White ghetto". Where do you go to get away from that?Destructionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06435081526764245883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-36573056908460137972008-03-04T08:58:00.000-08:002008-03-04T08:58:00.000-08:00des,Why the hostility?Logan Circle...Tuff Hood. Ev...des,<BR/><BR/>Why the hostility?<BR/><BR/><I>Logan Circle...Tuff Hood. Ever been to Anacostia?</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, I worked at St. E's for a while as a law student, and I spent some time there as a kid. Why, are you considering me for a "Black People Love Me" merit badge?<BR/><BR/>You found me out, des. I'm white.<BR/><BR/><I>I sat on a train in East Berlin between 3 Skinheads... And you're burying your head on PUBLIC FREAKING bus ...</I><BR/><BR/>I think you must have misread something I posted, des. I wasn't trying to out-victim anybody, and I wasn't telling a story about feeling afraid for my life. I was just recounting a story about an absurd situation I found myself in when I was <B>a kid</B>. Because, you know, it's weird for a kid to grow up hearing from the adults around him that the color of his skin makes him the devil. If you're black, I'm sure you can identify. <BR/><BR/>I'm not trying to win a competition; I'm just saying it's kind of ridiculous, and it kind of underlines some funny little consequences of the NoI's mythology.<BR/><BR/>Like I said, the NoI's position makes sense in highly segregated environments. My being on that bus was an anomaly, and it highlighted the absurdity of what the guy was preaching. I didn't think he harbored any actual ill-will toward me; the "white people" he was talking about were abstractions, and any connection between me and them was pretty much accidental, for both him and me. But that's what's so tricky about objectification of human beings: the absurdity of it is hard to conceal when you're face-to-face with The Devil and he turns out to be a pale, pudgy, shy little 13-year-old kid reading a paperback science fiction novel.<BR/><BR/>White people in America have proved themselves adept at navigating this absurdity: they don't seem to have a problem treating young black kids as adults in dishing out prison sentences. They explain this behavior by falling back on tried-and-true blacks-as-animals rhetoric: the kid is like a young wolf puppy, and he'll grow into a killer if we don't slaughter him now. Perhaps the NoI has a similarly effective technique for quelling the cognitive dissonance that arises from telling a 13-year-old kid he's The Devil. If so, more power to them if it helps them to get through the day. But I suspect that in the long run, that kind of mythology creates more problems for its adherents than it solves.Matt Norwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15303561722758722861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-48145850453286874332008-03-04T04:29:00.000-08:002008-03-04T04:29:00.000-08:00I think my bruh D. Starnes is on point. I've been ...I think my bruh D. Starnes is on point. I've been to see Farrakhan speak, however, 4 times and I've never heard him say something that wasn't factual. Maybe I missed those speaches where he's making all of the accusations he's credited with, but I also know he's been misquoted or taken outen of context frequently. All I know is what I saw....him berating not only Jewish people, but Blacks, anyone who was related to the slave trade directly. The Nation was my first experience with an organization that promoted Black Self Awareness from the beginning and turned many brothers around...and what negative statement could you ever make about The Million Man March...that was just self-love bruhs...maybe some nutty stuff did go down...I just haven't seen or heard about it..I'm not about to join the Nation, because I don't know enough about the internal machinery and don't have the time to investigate, but I will support any uplifting program for the good of my people.......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-40023443851120454212008-03-03T23:38:00.000-08:002008-03-03T23:38:00.000-08:00A man has been unfaithful to his wife. For decades...A man has been unfaithful to his wife. For decades he has also abused and humiliated her. Every aspect of his treatment toward her has been abominable. Her self esteem could not be worse.<BR/><BR/>One day this man is approached by his preacher, the town sheriff and his friends. They convince him to sober up and change his ways. He has truly seen the light and sits down with his wife and apologizes. In his heart, he is genuinely sorry for his actions. They decide to attempt to reconcile the marriage and go forward from that day.<BR/><BR/>Understandably, the wife is dubious at best about the prospects of her husband actually being reformed. If he even looks at another woman, she calls him on it and they argue. If he is home five minutes late, a screaming match occurs. He must be careful because she listens for every word he says and is highly critical. <BR/><BR/>Is everything now the wife's fault? Of course not. Could the husband do more to help the relationship survive and prosper? Most definitely. Should the wife block out those decades of past abuse and humiliation? That is impossible. How can this marriage survive?<BR/><BR/>Acceptance, in it's purest form, is understanding how powerless one is against virtually everything - especially the past and the future. Every second we spend being distracted from today because of the past is wasted. Things do not change. Only people's perception of things can change. If you are a black person over age 15, your perception of slavery probably will never change. History will not let us forget the travesty of enslaving a race of people for centuries. But, until we understand we cannot change history, we cannot go forward. We are stuck in the past.<BR/><BR/>You definitely don't need a sermon about race relations from an old white man. What I write is my thoughts and feelings - my perception, if you will. If you are satisfied with the progress made by blacks in the past 40 years since MLK's death, I am happy for you. I do not think you are and I do not think reliving the past has added one single thing to any progress made.Vince Spencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10761454912786879102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-77684965726962310762008-03-03T22:16:00.000-08:002008-03-03T22:16:00.000-08:00Mills..."...genome project..."?Dave, what part of ...Mills...<BR/><BR/><I>"...genome project..."</I>?<BR/><BR/>Dave, what part of <B>your</B> genome makes <B>you</B> "black"?<BR/><BR/>What does a "black" person look like?<BR/><BR/>Did you know, by the way, that the actual objective racial division among male humanity is that between males that have man-titties and those that don't?<BR/><BR/>(the man-tittied race of males tend to have an IQ of 187 and genius-level blogs, non-man tittied males race of males of which I am a member off tend to have an IQ of 43 and have abandoned their paltry attempts at blogging)<BR/><BR/>You find that absurd? Hmmm... and this biological white/black race thing and the accompanying "IQ gap" you don't?Michael Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14542253904917878025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-54228700960356006522008-03-03T22:00:00.000-08:002008-03-03T22:00:00.000-08:00DeAngelo..."subconcious racism."D. You're giving ...DeAngelo...<BR/><BR/><I>"subconcious racism."</I><BR/><BR/>D. You're giving white folks too little credit...Michael Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14542253904917878025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-78313886534269039802008-03-03T20:46:00.000-08:002008-03-03T20:46:00.000-08:00Spence re: sense of humor, whatever.On the issue o...Spence re: sense of humor, whatever.<BR/><BR/>On the issue of hanging onto 150 years' worth of shit, what 150 years' worth of shit are you referencing. Because if you're talking about slavery? That may have ended one hundred and forty-three years ago, but it lasted three times as long.<BR/><BR/>You know it's very fucking easy for some white dude to tell a Black person to get over the effects of slavery when he ain't suffered the lasting effects of it. Some sorry ass I'm a poor white person and my family didn't own slaves rhetoric is so fucking tired.<BR/><BR/>And so the only part of Farrkhan's message he can latch onto is self-sufficiency. Not that I disagree with that component of the message. But you don't get to that part unless you listen about the legacy of slavery.<BR/><BR/>But that's the problem with most people in America today. They don't deal with the whole context and the complete answer. <BR/><BR/>So how can you pick and choose if you haven't listened to everything to make a judgment?<BR/><BR/>That's the reason why you get distracted and fixated on "riot" comments because you didn't lisen to and/or understand the whole context. You missed the point that we're all getting fucked over. <BR/><BR/>But even though white people are getting fucked over, they forget all that and start drinking the kool-aid as soon as Farrakhan or Sharpton or Jesse gets injected into the argument.<BR/><BR/>I think it's because of subconcious racism.<BR/><BR/>Black politicians are ALWAYS asked to denounce one of the three in some form or fashion.<BR/><BR/>"Mr. Starnes, do you agree the white man is the devil as your supporter Louis Farrakhan has proposed?"<BR/><BR/>"Mr. Starnes, do you agree that Tawawna Brawley was raped by white police officials as your supporter Al Sharpton has advocated?"<BR/><BR/>"Mr. Starnes, do you agree with the anti-Semitic comments regarding New York being 'Hymietown' as your supporter Jesse Jackson said during his 1984 presidential campaign?"<BR/><BR/>"Mr. Starnes, do you agree with the Black Panthers' program of shooting the police as your supporter, Bobby Seale once stood for?"<BR/><BR/>Ad fucking nauseum.<BR/><BR/>Fuck kissing a goddamn ring of rejection and denouncement. It's a distraction.<BR/><BR/>I'll be glad when there is no Farrakhan litmus test or any other similar litmus test, and we deal with issues.<BR/><BR/>Ding!DeAngelo Starneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18159838580641718119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-79988561497212697272008-03-03T20:10:00.000-08:002008-03-03T20:10:00.000-08:00No prob Vince,On The Serenity Prayer:"realizes how...No prob Vince,<BR/><BR/>On The Serenity Prayer:<BR/><BR/>"realizes how little we can change our circumstances – people, places or things."<BR/><BR/>Two things to start. It is often difficult change people. Circumstances, places (or shld I say, Locations) and things are very changeable.<BR/><BR/>It sounds like you're saying We shld just give into White Supremecy and accept it and move on... because we are powerless to do anything about it. <BR/><BR/>While I have no dreams of flipping every racist in the world.... I do what I can to make the world a better place everyday. Most days I succeed. Some days I falter and screw up. But the days I spend doing nothing....are the days I FAIL.Destructionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06435081526764245883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-79754574728368671002008-03-03T19:58:00.000-08:002008-03-03T19:58:00.000-08:00Vince Spence, glad you're back. Keep it goin', y'a...Vince Spence, glad you're back. Keep it goin', y'all...Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-77631974054518484932008-03-03T19:57:00.000-08:002008-03-03T19:57:00.000-08:00Mr. T, you wrote: "... the relevance here is that ...Mr. T, you wrote: "... the relevance here is that Barack Obama in general and the black community in particular continues to bear the brunt of the responsibility when it comes to repudiating objectionable speech."<BR/><BR/>I can't argue with you on that. Not after watching Tim Russert take up time in the last debate asking Obama to comment on an award given to Farrakhan by the pastor of his church.<BR/><BR/>First time I've ever seen a presidential candidate asked to comment on something his daggone <EM>pastor</EM> did.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-40115720212627485012008-03-03T19:55:00.000-08:002008-03-03T19:55:00.000-08:00Des,You are 100% correct. I just thought it was a ...Des,<BR/><BR/>You are 100% correct. I just thought it was a little ironic, but I made much more out of it than I should have.<BR/><BR/>You are also right on part two. in 1965 I moved into a lily white neighborhood (except for Mr. Mfume, of course) His house is three times nicer than mine.<BR/><BR/>I also agree with with Mr. Starnes and I will try to stay on topic. Bear with me. Thanks.Vince Spencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10761454912786879102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-39511447437052284162008-03-03T19:44:00.000-08:002008-03-03T19:44:00.000-08:00No prob Vince,Let's start with the part you left o...No prob Vince,<BR/><BR/>Let's start with the part you left out about where Kweise lives. <BR/><BR/>Where do you think he sld live? Do you think that he should live in a predominantly Black neighborhood because of his NAACP connection?<BR/><BR/>Does Frank Perdue live near Chickens?<BR/><BR/>You grew up in a "95%" black hood. How many of them non family darkies did you take out there with you?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Most people live in the best neighborhood/house they can afford. I'm assuming that's what you did. Why is it so hard to believe he'd do the same thing?<BR/><BR/>I'll pick up the other stuff when you respond. Don't want to OverLoad ya?<BR/><BR/>Mr T,<BR/><BR/>Way to holla at my boy K.O. As for your 10 step program, I'd love to see the steps. You can be brief at first, I pick up pretty quickly. But without seeing them, my initial question is don't you think we need to do a few more preliminary things at first before "shoring up our economic, politial and social institutions"?Destructionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06435081526764245883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-71740101326628709072008-03-03T19:37:00.000-08:002008-03-03T19:37:00.000-08:00Fair enough.I am not sure what white people you gu...Fair enough.<BR/><BR/>I am not sure what white people you guys were talking to, but Farrakhan's message was welcomed by most of my friends and people I discussed him with.<BR/><BR/>He was convinced white supremacy would never give the blacks what they deserved and what they needed. And, that by using government assistance type programs, the hole was actually being dug deeper and deeper. Black men were allowing themselves to be emasculated by the white man's system. By accepting these programs, blacks were accepting domination. His message was accountability. Don't take welfare checks. Don't accept food stamps and unemployment insurance. Work 40 hours and be a father to your children and a husband to the mother of your children. Worship your savior. Protect your community.<BR/><BR/>Believe me, Mr. Farrakkan can call me any name he wants. If the past 40 years were spent following his message and not hanging onto issues from 150 years ago, the plight of the black race would be improved one hundred fold.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Starnes, your sense of humor eludes me.Vince Spencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10761454912786879102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-87498308534591049582008-03-03T19:12:00.000-08:002008-03-03T19:12:00.000-08:00Good evening, Des...I have no idea what these thre...Good evening, Des...<BR/><BR/>I have no idea what these three paragraphs mean. <BR/><BR/>"I don't know the shape or size of whatever trial balloon you were blowing...but you just stuck a spear in it with this:"<BR/><BR/>"Bring your PUNK AZZ back here....and I'll tell u that and more. And btw, did u move out there looking for the Pearly Pure?<BR/>WTF is that all about?"<BR/><BR/>"Be aware that I wipe SERENITY off my Anton Chigurh boots every time I cross the screet. Or shld I do as you say and roll over and take it... Sheeeeiiiiiiiiiittttt."<BR/><BR/>I am guessing you disagree with something I said. Can you 'dumb it down' a little for a 59 year-old?Vince Spencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10761454912786879102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-52444024735272236162008-03-03T19:05:00.000-08:002008-03-03T19:05:00.000-08:00Dave; First, I stand corrected with the author's n...Dave; First, I stand corrected with the author's name of the scientific study called "The Bell Curve". But I never called him a racist. I never met the man. I called his particular area of scolarhsip/study "scientific racism". And it derives from the same branch of science as eugenics. And it's sole purpose was to provide a science-based justification for oppressing non-whites, evidence of white supremacy.<BR/><BR/>I am also shocked that you actually read the publication. Should I have read it? Or is it just recycling of the same white supremacy in academia that has continued to flourish? <BR/><BR/>Not to stray too far off point, the relevance here is that Barack Obama in general and the black community in particular continues to bear the brunt of the responsibility when it comes to repudiating objectionable speech. The only white person in public who I observe that repudiates white hate speech almost every day is Keith Olberman on MSNBC. Not Hillary Clinton, John McCain, or any other elected official or journalist, white or black.<BR/><BR/>The tragedy here is that white media coerces our community to publicly betray one another. Almost like forcing two reluctant pit bulls to destroy one another. It's not good enough for us to have a genuine disagreement on policy. I personally don't like that fact that Barack Obama rarely, if ever, speaks on enforcing civil rights laws, employment and housing discrimination, etc. which even the Bush administration has characterized as "rampant". <BR/><BR/>The only real solution, and D. Starnes knows this, is what I call the 10-step program. And this starts shoring up our economic, politial and social institutions. And Farrakhan has attempted to build this through his cleaning products, and independent newspaper, and personal development classes. As far as I'm concerned, he has already contributed more to the black community than all our black elected official combined.Mister Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16804791453253818382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-47870498195205462612008-03-03T18:58:00.000-08:002008-03-03T18:58:00.000-08:00At first, I was going to leave this shit alone.But...At first, I was going to leave this shit alone.<BR/><BR/>But I'm pissed.<BR/><BR/>Yo Vince Spence, stop e-stalking me!<BR/><BR/>Okay, we get that you missed the tongue-in-cheek "riot" comment.<BR/><BR/>Let it go and take a deep breath because that was two weeks ago.<BR/><BR/>The rest of your babble is too silly to dignify with comment.<BR/><BR/>The subject if the continued relevance of Farrakhan. You want to make a point about that subject and that subject only, we might can go.DeAngelo Starneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18159838580641718119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-55622484359290653262008-03-03T18:11:00.000-08:002008-03-03T18:11:00.000-08:00Vince,I don't know the shape or size of whatever t...Vince,<BR/><BR/>I don't know the shape or size of whatever trial balloon you were blowing...but you just stuck a spear in it with this:<BR/><BR/>"P.S. While heading the NAACP, Kweise lived around the corner from me in Baltimore County in a $650,000 home where his nearest black neighbor was at least two miles away. What’s that all about?"<BR/><BR/>Bring your PUNK AZZ back here....and I'll tell u that and more. And btw, did u move out there looking for the Pearly Pure?<BR/>WTF is that all about?<BR/><BR/>Be aware that I wipe SERENITY off my Anton Chigurh boots every time I cross the screet. Or shld I do as you say and roll over and take it... Sheeeeiiiiiiiiiittttt.<BR/><BR/>Matt Norwood,<BR/><BR/>Logan Circle...Tuff Hood. Ever been to Anacostia? I sat on a train in East Berlin between 3 Skinheads, after telling one to move over, the summer after the wall fell....and I ain't 5'8" standing on a biscuit. I did have a switchblade that I picked up outside of Checkpoint Charlie.... but I couldn't have gotten to it time.<BR/><BR/>And you're burying your head on PUBLIC FREAKING bus in Our Nation's Capital because some guy with a bowtie and bean pie is talking? I hope you made it alive.<BR/><BR/>De Starnes,<BR/><BR/>I gotta tip the hat to my boy too:<BR/><BR/>"A angry man rooted in facts does not scare me as much as a ignorant angry man."<BR/><BR/>IMHO most religious orgs are basically social orgs.... And the real ones are all based on a similar premise which is: "What rules shld we follow so we can live in this place together without killing ourselves off" Most of the trappings are are simply that.Destructionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06435081526764245883noreply@blogger.com