tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post3781600014853673561..comments2024-03-24T23:57:28.687-07:00Comments on Undercover Black Man: Live-blogging the Ohio debateUndercover Black Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-82838285447972786792008-02-27T17:11:00.000-08:002008-02-27T17:11:00.000-08:00You're too hard on Obama re: the Farrakhan thing. ...You're too hard on Obama re: the Farrakhan thing. Russert's question was basically "When did you stop beating your wife?" but I thought the O man handled it fairly well considering.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to pound Russert in that big moon face of his.<BR/><BR/>Hillary on the hand was just pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-80256126829387497622008-02-27T13:54:00.000-08:002008-02-27T13:54:00.000-08:00Des, I have to agree with you. We DO need a knowl...Des, I have to agree with you. We DO need a knowledgeable president and Hillary is, and capable too. For foreign policy matters, Richardson and Biden were considerably more knowledgeable. The others who dropped out (save Edwards) were more knowledgeable - and experienced - than Hillary or Barack on a whole host of issues.<BR/><BR/>My remark was more a commentary on Americans seeming fear of intelligence. (What else can explain Bubba Bush being elected twice?) <BR/><BR/>Personally, I couldn't bear four years of listening to Hillary: her whining, her - and her husband's scandals, her being so conniving, her constantly willingness "to fight" (vs. negotiate), etc.<BR/><BR/>Admittedly, Obama is a tad too Kumbaya for me. Alas, my support of him is only an ABC: any body but Clinton.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-88820216245012348822008-02-27T13:04:00.000-08:002008-02-27T13:04:00.000-08:00Just read Newsweek's assessment of last night's de...Just read Newsweek's assessment of last night's debate. Does Howard Fineman read this blog? Otherwise, I don't want to believe we think alike.DeAngelo Starneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18159838580641718119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-42313391672033219682008-02-27T12:56:00.000-08:002008-02-27T12:56:00.000-08:00Aw shit, Dave. Called a brotha out on Nader and n...Aw shit, Dave. Called a brotha out on Nader and now the MMM. Couple jabs got through. Knees didn't buckle though. <BR/><BR/>Stakes Be High like a muthafucka! You pose the question.<BR/><BR/>And I got the time the next few days. So let's do it.<BR/><BR/>Ding!DeAngelo Starneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18159838580641718119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-82570899466383566332008-02-27T12:46:00.000-08:002008-02-27T12:46:00.000-08:00DeAngelo: What did the Million Man March accomplis...DeAngelo: What did the Million Man March accomplish?<BR/><BR/>I think it's time to call Minister Farrakhan what he is: the leader of a mind-control cult.<BR/><BR/>Maybe we can hash this out in a Stakes Be High?Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-40620854140492709792008-02-27T12:44:00.000-08:002008-02-27T12:44:00.000-08:00The biggest problem I have with Obama right now is...<EM>The biggest problem I have with Obama right now is his sanctification by his most ardent supporters. I don't want a saint; I want a president.</EM><BR/><BR/>I feel you, dez. This is a problem for Obama as well. Because there is <EM>no way Obama can live up to this</EM>. He cannot live up to people's sanctified memory of JFK and RFK.<BR/><BR/>He cannot heal the world.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-43727450242367727772008-02-27T12:15:00.000-08:002008-02-27T12:15:00.000-08:00"Jim, Obama closed strong. His concession that Cl..."Jim, Obama closed strong. His concession that Clinton was a worthy opponent and that they both advocate change in business as usual was a classy move. I have it Obama 4 to 3 with three draws. Obama by a slim margin. I think he's on his way to be the nominee. Clinton should discuss with her people how she's gonna get the Senate Majority leadership and grant Nader a Karl Rove-type role to whoever is the next president. That's my card and I'm sticking to it, Jim!"DeAngelo Starneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18159838580641718119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-8364673754223153432008-02-27T12:06:00.000-08:002008-02-27T12:06:00.000-08:00I hate to admit it, but she did come off as much m...<I>I hate to admit it, but she did come off as much more knowledgeable with solid facts. She couldn't wait to show that knowledge off, but then again everybody hates the class showoff.</I><BR/><BR/>God forbid we elect a president who is knowledgeable and armed with solid facts.<BR/><BR/>The biggest problem I have with Obama right now is his sanctification by his most ardent supporters. I don't want a saint; I want a president.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-8630070980728220272008-02-27T12:00:00.000-08:002008-02-27T12:00:00.000-08:00Okay, I finally watched the TiVo of what I missed....Okay, I finally watched the TiVo of what I missed.<BR/><BR/>The Farrakhan question. First, of all, I can't stand when people deliberately mispronounce someone's name. It's disrespectful. And if you're going to posit yourself as someone who has integrity and wholesomeness, then do so correctly. Calling people by the name they wish to be called and pronouncing it correctly boosts your credibility when you attack. And Russert's question was an attack. And why people find it necessary to attack a person whose peak achievement is gathering a million black men on the Mall TWELVE AND A HALF MONTHS AGO is tired.<BR/><BR/>Now to the answer, why is it significant for Barack to repudiate Farrakhan? And the silliness of "reject" versus "denounce" is stupid. <BR/><BR/>After all, how does Farrakhan's endorsement of Barack advance the argument as to who is the best qualified candidate for the office?<BR/><BR/>The question was bullshit. Barack walked the tightrope in answering it. But trust me, he didn't tom out like I thought. <BR/><BR/>But you don't even answer some stupid shit like that. And what I advocate, and I'm sure Nader would've done, is to tell the questioner the question was silly. The question has nothing to do with steering the country out of a depression.<BR/><BR/>Because anybody that tells that we aren't in a recession and haven't been in one since BEFORE 9-11 is full of shit!DeAngelo Starneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18159838580641718119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-89907219510994815682008-02-27T10:59:00.000-08:002008-02-27T10:59:00.000-08:00i finally got to watch the debate online. If MSNB...i finally got to watch the debate online. If MSNBC showed it in the eastern hemisphere, it was in the middle of the night.<BR/><BR/>Obama needs to take a page from Edwards' book and take debate day off and relax. He looked tired and annoyed. He'd have been quicker on the uptake, for example, on the initial Farrakan question. The answer should have been an immediate, "Reject!" We shouldn't have had to endure five minutes of a semantics argument.<BR/><BR/>I can't believe that Hillary had the balls to tell Russert that, "You don't have all the records" Puhlease! This is a man who'll go back to your third grade civics report to catch you in a lie. <BR/><BR/>Speaking of lies, what's up with her tax return. How did they have the $5 million to lend the campaign. Who's pocket is Bill in?<BR/><BR/>I hate to admit it, but she did come off as much more knowledgeable with solid facts. She couldn't wait to show that knowledge off, but then again everybody hates the class showoff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-12152250018988176662008-02-27T09:04:00.000-08:002008-02-27T09:04:00.000-08:00For those who don't have time to watch the whole h...For those who don't have time to watch the whole hour and a half debate, I've summarized it down to a little over two minutes...<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k-Jo_IZbwEMalcolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14203165125962395123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-10750472104753197192008-02-27T06:43:00.000-08:002008-02-27T06:43:00.000-08:00"Senator Clinton, will you "reject" the nutjob who..."Senator Clinton, will you "reject" the nutjob who equated a debate with a gang rape?<BR/><BR/>snort.<BR/><BR/>She's a piece of work, doing the whole brave of rejection of anti=semitic support of the Independence Party (hello, did you know that Lenora Fulani is BLACK??) in New York call out. I just knew she was going somewhere with that and sure enough ... however, the folks in Ohio and the after spin totally seems to have missed it so we'll see.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, I don't think this debate really changed anyone's mind who hasn't decided yet but I do like to imagine that the Clinton camp is going to eat itself in the months to come. Because, that is the one thing I'm sure of, this is going to grind on for months. Ickes has indicated as much, that they're now commiting to arm twisting in regards to the super delegates.<BR/><BR/>I think I'm going to just tune out to some other planet where they have good music for a while because all the hating of the hating haters who love to hate is just too exhausting for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-71829427821511790742008-02-27T03:41:00.000-08:002008-02-27T03:41:00.000-08:00Thanks for the play-by-play, UBM. Was putting the...Thanks for the play-by-play, UBM. Was putting the little ones to bed last night and fell asleep myself...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-14294907903972214702008-02-26T21:39:00.000-08:002008-02-26T21:39:00.000-08:00Hillary's not good when it comes to joking. She s...Hillary's not good when it comes to joking. She should leave that to Tina Fey :-)<BR/><BR/>A friend of mine almost had me convinced that an Obama/Clinton ticket would be good for the country. Or even Obama/Richardson. I'm still thinking it over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-60363309705377714132008-02-26T21:28:00.000-08:002008-02-26T21:28:00.000-08:00hilary is driving me nuts. is it just me? or does ...<EM>hilary is driving me nuts. is it just me? or does she sound like she's losing it?</EM><BR/><BR/>Teresa, thanks for hanging out and commenting.<BR/><BR/>Hillary settled down, thank goodness. Well, thank goodness for <EM>her</EM>. It would've been a much more entertaining evening if she had kept on with her off-the-wall side comments.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-89931800434344020202008-02-26T21:00:00.000-08:002008-02-26T21:00:00.000-08:00^ Not a great campaigner, I meant to say.^ Not a great campaigner, I meant to say.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-79502438567683671792008-02-26T20:55:00.000-08:002008-02-26T20:55:00.000-08:00At the end of the day I could hang all night with ...<EM>At the end of the day I could hang all night with Obama ... and I would fake a death in the family to get away from Hillary.</EM><BR/><BR/>You crack me up, Suze!<BR/><BR/>Watching this debate, after Hillary got past her early peevishness, I was struck by how impressive she is overall as a stateswoman and an intellect.<BR/><BR/>And I can understand the frustration of her supporters who think she's <EM>entitled</EM> to be president.<BR/><BR/>But there's one big thing that a president needs... and that's for people to vote for them to be president. And on the stump, where it counts, she simply has not made that sale to the majority of voters.<BR/><BR/>It's impossible to even argue any more, isn't it, that she's the best choice to beat McCain? She is not a great campaign, plain and simple.<BR/><BR/>Keep rockin' the Senate, though, Hillary.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-51388005791124693082008-02-26T20:48:00.000-08:002008-02-26T20:48:00.000-08:00"But if he dissed Farrakhan, that was an overt eff...<I>"But if he dissed Farrakhan, that was an overt effort to assimilate. And I don't respect overt efforts to assimiliate. We call that "Tomming."</I><BR/><BR/>Naw. It's called politics, D. Besides he didn't diss Farrakhan, he said that he rejected <I>and</I> denounced Farrakhan's endorsement. <BR/><BR/>That Farrakhan question was a trap they set for Obama anyhow.Michael Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14542253904917878025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-26183057516280801932008-02-26T20:43:00.000-08:002008-02-26T20:43:00.000-08:00At the end of the day I could hang all night with ...At the end of the day I could hang all night with Obama (although I might start to mock the finger pointing and gesturing after a couple glasses of wine) and I would fake a death in the family to get away from Hillary. <BR/><BR/>I know that has nothing to do with their ability to lead or run the country, but on some level it does affect how people vote.quirkychickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04353130475402887985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-32914086965274166522008-02-26T20:25:00.000-08:002008-02-26T20:25:00.000-08:00Dave, I'm probably going to vote for Barack. Lets...Dave, I'm probably going to vote for Barack. Lets' not get it twisted. I'm a Nader man, but, unfortunately, I gotta make sure that McCain ain't in there.<BR/><BR/>But that's my problem with the process. Only left with two viable choices. Our election system isn't one where there's real choice. Hold your nose and vote. That's bullshit.<BR/><BR/>Now, I'm gonna have to TiVo the rerun of the debate. But if he dissed Farrakhan, that was an overt effort to assimilate. And I don't respect overt efforts to assimiliate. We call that "Tomming."<BR/><BR/>Bring on the hatemail.<BR/><BR/>Ding!DeAngelo Starneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18159838580641718119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-31678666057728383742008-02-26T20:23:00.000-08:002008-02-26T20:23:00.000-08:00Man, I was soooo pissed at the Minister when he di...Man, I was soooo pissed at the Minister when he did that shyt. He knew exactly what these white folks would do with his "endorsement". It's not like Obama needs the Minister to get the black vote out, ya know?Michael Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14542253904917878025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-27955216938330077082008-02-26T20:09:00.000-08:002008-02-26T20:09:00.000-08:00I was a bit disturbed by them bringing up Farrakha...I was a bit disturbed by them bringing up Farrakhan. Brought back memories of Stuttering John (I think) from the Howard Stern show asking Don Cornelius to denounce the minister a few years ago.<BR/><BR/>And then Clinton acting like she took a risk standing against anti-semitism while running for office in NEW YORK.<BR/>By the way, I think some of those "anti-semites" in the Independence party are Jewish, if I remember correctly.Edshugeo The GodMoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11986507164485783874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-78554564667293133862008-02-26T20:02:00.000-08:002008-02-26T20:02:00.000-08:00Based on the commentators' opinions, Barack refute...<EM>Based on the commentators' opinions, Barack refuted Farrakhan. Just lost my vote until I see the video.</EM><BR/><BR/>Lost your vote? You weren't voting for him anyway, was you, DeAng??Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-45555589545013057582008-02-26T20:01:00.000-08:002008-02-26T20:01:00.000-08:00^ Heh-heh...^ Heh-heh...Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-13182949163376983282008-02-26T19:50:00.000-08:002008-02-26T19:50:00.000-08:00Hi All,If Min. Farrakhan really wanted to help Sen...Hi All,<BR/><BR/>If Min. Farrakhan really wanted to help Sen. Obama he should have endorsed Hillary.Mes Deux Centshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10697034868111011343noreply@blogger.com