tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post1907794760767271545..comments2023-10-29T09:32:24.412-07:00Comments on Undercover Black Man: Can Lawrence Auster feel shame?Undercover Black Manhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-42115171970035530372007-05-01T11:08:00.000-07:002007-05-01T11:08:00.000-07:00I've been noticing something for a long time now. ...I've been noticing something for a long time now. These "white America" types love the theme that "immigrants don't share our values". Now, ignoring for the moment that this theme was first applied to the Irish, what truly, deeply offends me - a dozen-generation Yankee with many distinguished, even hallowed patriots in my family tree - is that these types themselves haven't got the slightest idea what American values truly are.<BR/><BR/>Porcupine-hunting hillbillies drinking moonshine out of a tin pail, they have demonstrated, from the Civil Rights era up until they present day, that they not only lack believe in, but openly and constantly advocate against: equality for all, justice for all, the rule of law, democracy, the absence of aristocracy, the Constitution, just to name a couple American values these fools despise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-89660741370342259502007-04-24T13:36:00.000-07:002007-04-24T13:36:00.000-07:00^ Thanks so much for visiting and commenting. The ...^ Thanks so much for visiting and commenting. The friends and families of those killed remain in my thoughts.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-40469828921300953992007-04-24T12:46:00.000-07:002007-04-24T12:46:00.000-07:00OMG. This man is an idiot. I find his rantings to...OMG. This man is an idiot. I find his rantings totally offensive. We knew Henry Lee, who you mentioned earlier. Henh as we knew him was a bright, intelligent, outstanding young man. He was greatly loved by all of his classmates, teachers and the parents of the school. The school he attended was very diverse and Henh was a popular student among all ethnic groups. His brilliant smile and magnetic personality permeated everyone's heart. He also rose to the to of his class and captured the hearts of many as he received so many awards at a ceremony last year the principal told him just to stand on the stage as she was going to continue to call his name. Those who loved this Chinese immigrant, whether, black, white, asian, hispanic, arabic, are grieving immensley. I cannot adequately express what a lovely young person Henry Lee was.<BR/><BR/>That man has no idea who these people were. His remarks sicken me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-28016948893315542122007-04-22T13:55:00.000-07:002007-04-22T13:55:00.000-07:00Big Bill, thanks for adding your reasoned analysis...Big Bill, thanks for adding your reasoned analysis. When's the next Klan meeting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-21450300730866344312007-04-22T13:03:00.000-07:002007-04-22T13:03:00.000-07:00Yup. I pointed out to a friend that the four or f...Yup. I pointed out to a friend that the four or five faces that appeared every two or three minutes on CNN and MSNBC weren't white. I wondered why they were making sure not to mention white folks for at least a couple. Don't tell me VTech is segregated agaisnt white folk.<BR/><BR/>Now, I figure it was because white people are all crazy psychopaths to the MSM. No such thing as hate crimes against white folk. Nossir. If they is a hate crime against white folk, they go batsh!t crazy and start killin' everyone the way they always do. <BR/><BR/>I guess to the MSM it is better to make Vtech an educational moment and only show dead black folk, brown folks and immigrants. That way white folk won't flip out like they allus do and shoot up everyone else. <BR/><BR/>And sho' nuff, UCBM, you played that card for them, big time! Yup, UCBM it's like you say. Its like CNN and MSNBC say. Its all colored folks gettin' shot.<BR/><BR/>Hell, that Cho boy, he is really an American at heart. Why, as a Korean said in another weblog, ol' Cho only went crazy because he was treated so bad by racist white folk!<BR/><BR/>So you see, white people, VTech is all YOUR racist fault. And not only that, but it was all those extra-special colored folk that got killed, not YOU like UCBM sez. <BR/><BR/>So don't even THINK about limiting immigration, you scum!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-43450331836583310852007-04-22T11:42:00.000-07:002007-04-22T11:42:00.000-07:00^ Zing!Thanks for dropping by, Sheriff.^ Zing!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for dropping by, Sheriff.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-25968250501082535342007-04-22T11:28:00.000-07:002007-04-22T11:28:00.000-07:00"I don’t know the racial composition of Virginia T..."I don’t know the racial composition of Virginia Tech’s student body, but it seems that non-whites might’ve been disproportionately victimized by Cho Seung-Hui."<BR/><BR/>I suspect you're forgetting that non-white folks only count as 3/5 of a white person. I believe that when you recalculate, you'll see the bigots' cause for worry.sherifffruitflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14676077292357887614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-43503493399863598452007-04-21T22:05:00.000-07:002007-04-21T22:05:00.000-07:00Dez: I don't know if this is the site Campaspe ref...Dez: I don't know if this is the site Campaspe referenced, but it's the one I'm familiar with:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.aztlan.net/" REL="nofollow">http://www.aztlan.net/</A>.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-45507338622171497752007-04-21T21:38:00.000-07:002007-04-21T21:38:00.000-07:00That would be "As for this talk..." d'oh!That would be "As for this talk..." d'oh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-4342487773858335452007-04-21T21:37:00.000-07:002007-04-21T21:37:00.000-07:00May I have the link to the Aztlan website, please?...May I have the link to the Aztlan website, please?<BR/><BR/>As this talk of racialists...siiigh...well, as long as none of you are racialists against sharks....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-84894466819257547352007-04-21T18:27:00.000-07:002007-04-21T18:27:00.000-07:00Trying to divine a paranoid schizophrenic's motiva...Trying to divine a paranoid schizophrenic's motivation is largely, I think, a waste of time. Read the lengthy profile of Cho in the NY Times today. Something was seriously wrong with this guy almost from the day he was born. Perhaps some of these other factors figured in somewhere, but I think his psychosis was far more determinative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-24902668712778080002007-04-21T16:07:00.000-07:002007-04-21T16:07:00.000-07:00Question Marks-------------------"This didn't have...Question Marks<BR/>-------------------<BR/><BR/>"This didn't have to happen", Cho Seung-Hui said, after murdering thirty-two people at Virginia Tech University.<BR/><BR/>And this terrible tragedy of sons, daughters, mothers and fathers didn't have to happen, if we'd only listened.<BR/><BR/>But we never listen.<BR/><BR/>We never listen to those that are different from us- the outcasts, the lonely, the homeless, the ones that are unspoken for. We don't try to understand. We shun them and put them out of our minds because of our fear that we will become like them.<BR/><BR/>And these people become more and more lonely and alienated in their isolation.<BR/><BR/>Words like "creep", "deranged misfit" and "psycho" devalue this killer's humanity so we don't have to face how similar he is to us. Cries of "how could he have been stopped" are uttered by media quick to sensationalize and gain market share, when the words "how could he have been listened to" are never considered.<BR/><BR/>Because we don't want to listen.<BR/><BR/>We don't want to hear about loneliness and alienation when we're all so busy with our lives, making money and making friends. And the unpopular, the ones that don't fit in, the lonely ones are ignored or made fun of because we don't care to understand anything about them.<BR/><BR/>This man who clearly needed help, Cho Seung-Hui, devalued himself so much that he called himself "Question Mark".<BR/><BR/>There are more "Question Marks" out there. There are millions of them. And if we don't listen to them, they will follow the same path again and again, because people are not connecting. We are becoming more and more disconnected from each other, creating more and more "Question Marks" every day.<BR/><BR/>Most "Question Marks" don't become murderers. Some just kill themselves. Most harm no one and live just as we do, needing antidepressants to appear what we call "normal". They may be someone you know, someone you love.<BR/><BR/>This "Question Mark" was once a little boy, who cried, and smiled and loved, He wanted to fit in just like you and I. But that desire to fit in transformed itself into anger towards a society that shunned and ignored him.<BR/><BR/>How many more times will we shun and ignore the one that doesn't fit in, the one in the corner, the one that's different? When all we have to do is listen, before it's too late.<BR/><BR/>But we won't.<BR/><BR/>Thirty-two human beings who did not know Cho Seung-Hui were murdered.<BR/>They were sons, daughters, fathers and mothers, with dreams of futures that will never come and children that will never be born. The thirty-two leave behind people that love them. People that are now scarred for life by this horrible day of death.<BR/><BR/>To most of us that have not been directly involved, this tragedy will become a memory and fade like all the others that came before.<BR/><BR/>And the "Question Marks" will appear with more frequency, again and again, because we don't listen.<BR/><BR/>We never do.<BR/><BR/><BR/>---------------<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.x-thc.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-84587171399506380722007-04-21T15:52:00.000-07:002007-04-21T15:52:00.000-07:00UBM - I am sorry (or perhaps I should be glad) to ...UBM - I am sorry (or perhaps I should be glad) to say that I wasn't aware of the full nature of Aztlan Networks ... after you posted I read some more on the site and said, whoa nelly. This is what comes of trying to find a random citation for something you remember from the time. I did remember discussion of whether Huberty had expressly targeted Mexican-Americans, looked it up, and found, voila and yippee, an ... <BR/><BR/>... unpleasant site. Lesson learned.<BR/><BR/>Back to the choice of victims point. "Insanity is still at issue, but race is still on the table." Okay, you are probably right about that. My visceral reaction to these ghastly spree killings is always "dear god, not another one." Not another person with a pathetic, festering persecution complex and unearned sense of having being denied the finer things in life by ... whoever. But if our cauldron of racial and/or sexual politics helps create some of those personalities, then I will agree it's time to look at that.<BR/><BR/>But, like you said, Cho seems to have had no such motivation, and dragging it in from who-knows-where is malignant.The Sirenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587505433284584391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-15300791321221203332007-04-21T15:51:00.000-07:002007-04-21T15:51:00.000-07:00Random Interghost, thanks for commenting.You wrote...Random Interghost, thanks for commenting.<BR/><BR/>You wrote: "Lawrence Auster, political obsessive that he is, also predictably saw the events through the prism of his motivating ideology; I'm not sure why you seem so surprised?"<BR/><BR/>Auster's a special case. I've been reading him for a while. As I mentioned earlier, I've even corresponded with him. He's not a neo-Nazi type. I see in his writing evidence of a serious intellect -- and a serious <EM>moral</EM> intellect. But I've also seen evidence of a profoundly irrational hang-up on race.<BR/><BR/>I've tried to engage him because of my belief that the better side of him might overcome the worse. I thought I could <EM>persuade</EM> him, through reasoned argument, that his racialism is folly.<BR/><BR/>Since Auster has cut off any further contact with me -- and since I'm less inclined, after Virginia Tech, to continue such contact myself -- I guess I wasted my time.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-13490726854454739282007-04-21T15:42:00.000-07:002007-04-21T15:42:00.000-07:00UBM,You are assuming that when I talk of Cho's rac...UBM,<BR/><BR/>You are assuming that when I talk of Cho's race it means that <B>he</B> was the "racist." That is the not the claim I am making, although, he might have been extremely racist and that is why he killed many different races.<BR/><BR/>But, Cho's race seems relevant because it causes one to wonder why this particular killer became so alienated and isolated in an environment lauded for its openness, tolerance and inclusion? The "racism" was not on the part of Cho as far as we know, but on the liberal university staff and students according to his own words. He did not mention racists or rednecks in his diatribe. Why?<BR/><BR/>tsm,<BR/><BR/>I am not excusing Cho's murder spree. I am trying to explain why I think he did what he did and it had nothing to do with the openness, tolerance and inclusion that so many believe is represented by the modern American university.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-66873362618367792332007-04-21T15:21:00.000-07:002007-04-21T15:21:00.000-07:00thordaddy, taking everything you said as fact woul...thordaddy, taking everything you said as fact would still not result in a shooting - a normal person does not react that way. You haven't given much outside evidence for your point. <BR/><BR/>"Violence and murder are not a non-white immigrant thing. They are, as I believe Malcolm X observed, as american as apple pie."<BR/>Well, that would make blacks more American than whites, because of the former's higher crime rates. And South Africans and Russians are very American then too!Somewhat off-topic, but interestingly enough, Deep South blacks are the least criminal among African-Americans, according to Steve Sailer (UBM's new token crank), http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/050213_mapping.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-48769658518416341542007-04-21T15:19:00.000-07:002007-04-21T15:19:00.000-07:00Campaspe, thanks so much for checking out my blog ...Campaspe, thanks so much for checking out my blog and for commenting. Looks like you got something good cooking on <A HREF="http://selfstyledsiren.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">your own blog</A>, and I look forward to setting aside some time to check you out.<BR/><BR/>As for the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre, if someone waving the "Aztlan" flag considers it a race crime, that in itself wouldn't persuade me. Because I'd presume that people who wave the "Aztlan" flag are Chicano racialists, just as Lawrence Auster is a white racialist. They are psychologically and politically invested in a sense of racial grievance.<BR/><BR/>From what I can gather, James Oliver Huberty was a loner, a gun nut, and eventually a rageful psychotic. He happened to live in a town on the U.S.-Mexican border, and he happened to live in walking distance of a McDonald's, so when he snapped, it's no surprise that Mexican-Americans were <EM>randomly</EM> in his line of fire.<BR/><BR/>But I take your point that "even if [Cho] did target primarily whites, we gain nothing by trying to divine why." That's a complicated area, though. You're saying that a psychotic killer who race-targets his victims is no less insane than one who sprays bullets at random humans. Yeah, I guess so, <EM>but</EM>...<BR/><BR/>In cases where there is demonstrable race-targeting -- as with serial killer <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Paul_Franklin" REL="nofollow">Joseph Paul Franklin</A>, who focused on interracial couples -- it's harder to separate out his social influences. (Franklin, for instance, had been a card-carrying Klansman and neo-Nazi.) Insanity is still at issue, but race is also on the table.<BR/><BR/>For argument's sake, let's say Cho <EM>had</EM> willfully targeted whites for murder as a function of his psychosis. Auster would've had more valid grounds, then, to focus on race in this case. I certainly wouldn't have been the one to call him out.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-34774001869069328572007-04-21T14:58:00.000-07:002007-04-21T14:58:00.000-07:00tsm,Although I agree with Auster's general premise...tsm,<BR/><BR/>Although I agree with Auster's general premise that a nondiscriminatory and nonjudgmental societal orientation may compel and enable the worst amongst us to act out their desire and will, I don't think that is the case in this particular situation.<BR/><BR/>I believe Cho acted out his revenge because he "saw" the lie of liberalism, i.e., nondiscrimination and nonjudgmentalism. He wasn't treated liberally in his eyes. He was treated with harsh discrimination and judgmentalism by those that preach the liberal dogma of openness, tolerance and inclusion. <BR/><BR/>Just look at the "stalking" charges where we have yet to hear from either girl directly with the first one claiming his contact was "annoying" and the police claiming the second was non-threatening. How then did this become a police matter and labeled "stalking?"<BR/><BR/>Secondly, the Cho's entire profile has been the making of two black women in the English department and yet the detail of his behavior is nonexistence outside the already well known fact that he was extremely introverted. Where are the girls that claim he took pictures? Again, it is asserted by these two black women. There is evidence that black women have a severe prejudice towards Asian men. And where are the rest of Cho's teachers and their descriptions of his "disturbing" behavior?<BR/><BR/>He acted out his revenge against those he believed showed great prejudice and intolerance while claiming to be so open and inclusive. He couldn't take the lie of liberalism anymore.Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-86565687293348952772007-04-21T14:55:00.000-07:002007-04-21T14:55:00.000-07:00Well, a few of your posters seem to be getting in ...Well, a few of your posters seem to be getting in the swing of things--accusations that liberals must be willing to entertain any idea, no matter how kooky, because its liberal to be tolerant? check. Repetition of the noonanesque question "would it be irresponsible to speculate? It would be irresponsible not to speculate..."<BR/><BR/>UBM's made the point but apparently too politely so let me jump in here. Its not wrong to ask whether racial issues influenced Cho's actions and whether a particular racist stance on Cho's part determined how he choose his victims. That's the job of the police and its a factual question which can be answered by research so as a liberal I'm all for it.<BR/><BR/> But it *is* specifically white racist to argue *against the known facts* that Cho's killing spree represented a particularly anti-white racist action and to attempt to construct out of whole cloth a novel genre of crime "killings of white people by non white immigrants."<BR/><BR/>Why is it illegitimate? Its illegitimate in the same way a push poll is illegitimate--becaues it structures the answer by leaving out of consideration most facts. In fact, I'd argue that even posing the question the way auster poses it is a gesture of bad faith because the questioner would have to be entirely ignorant of the real history of violence in this country to ever argue that the number of "white people killed by non-white immigrants" for race based reasons exceeds the number of non-white immigrants, and non white natives, killed by white people for specifically and even widely trumpeted race based reasons. Ever heard of lynching? Those lynching parties were *huge,* well publicized and well attended and well documented. There is no evidence of any retaliatory black on white violence, nor history of some vague immigrant on white violence that could begin to compare with the known, documented history of lynching.<BR/><BR/>And, of course, as we all know, the history of violence and immigration isn't really limited to non-white immigrants. Up here in boston the police and the state were pretty sure the sub-human Irish were genetically pre-disposed towards violence. And the Italians didn't fair much better. As for white southerners? their level of violence overall is and always has been much higher than the level of non southern whites. In fact serious research on violence in the african american community in the north revealed that it closely tracked white levels of violence in the southern states from which those internal migrants had come.<BR/><BR/>Violence and murder are not a non-white immigrant thing. They are, as I believe Malcolm X observed, as american as apple pie.<BR/><BR/>So right there the vague question (wonder when someone will collect the statistics on) is shown to be a stalking horse for refusing to recognize commonly held historical facts. I urge Auster to do the research on his chosen topic. It won't demonstrate what he wants it to demonstrate but if he has an ounce of honesty in his body he will learn something.<BR/><BR/>aimaiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-56570681051001465722007-04-21T14:42:00.000-07:002007-04-21T14:42:00.000-07:00@thordaddy,"Certainly, race may or may not factor ...@thordaddy,<BR/><BR/>"Certainly, race may or may not factor in a person's murdering spree, no?"<BR/><BR/>Race may factor in a murdering spree, but where's the proof that the guy was a racist??? He killed more whites because you know, they statistically make up a large amount of the VTech population...he also killed Asians, Arabs, etc.<BR/><BR/>Just because the guy was not white does not mean race has to be involved.SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01245472084190224186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-51136604228696619162007-04-21T14:40:00.000-07:002007-04-21T14:40:00.000-07:00Thordaddy: You're going to have to demonstrate tha...Thordaddy: You're going to have to demonstrate that you're reading my arguments more closely if you want to keep me interested in a conversation with you.<BR/><BR/>Read again what I wrote above. I say nothing about the <EM>timing</EM> of Auster's injection of race into the Virginia Tech killings. If race has something to do with the Virginia Tech killings, then there wouldn't be a bad time to discuss it. It would be relevant to our understanding of the matter.<BR/><BR/>If Auster wants to focus on white victims of non-white criminality, he should keep banging the gong on the Knoxville murders and leave Virginia Tech out of it.<BR/><BR/>But by focusing on Cho Seung-Hui's race, when there is zero evidence that Cho's race had anything to do with his insane rampage, Lawrence Auster is guilty of more than bad timing. He's guilty of malignant racialism and willful obfuscation.<BR/><BR/>As for the other point, I put the onus on you to explain why race should be considered a factor in Cho's actions, as opposed to the actions of any other spree killer.<BR/><BR/>It's the folly of bigoted thinking to ascribe racial determinism to the evil deeds of non-whites, while considering race irrelevant to the evil deeds of whites.Undercover Black Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08704721024820668555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-21618955293992139642007-04-21T14:22:00.000-07:002007-04-21T14:22:00.000-07:00In a moment of national shock and sorrow, a moment...<I>In a moment of national shock and sorrow, a moment that reminds normal people of our shared humanity -- the vulnerability of the human mind to illness and breakage, the exposure of all of us to psychotic violence -- Lawrence Auster chose to drive people further apart on the irrelevant (in this case) grounds of race.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, for political obsessives events like this are basically a kind of Rorshach test, no?<BR/><BR/>People who hate guns saw it as a perfect launching point for promoting gun control.<BR/><BR/>People who love guns saw it as a moment to yammer on about how if everyone was armed this wouldn't happen.<BR/><BR/>Etc. and so on.<BR/><BR/>Lawrence Auster, political obsessive that he is, also predictably saw the events through the prism of his motivating ideology; I'm not sure why you seem so surprised?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-64828066076579770932007-04-21T13:26:00.000-07:002007-04-21T13:26:00.000-07:00The race and immigration angle must be considered,...The race and immigration angle must be considered, as Auster says, and you UBM agree, but I don't think it has much fruit in this case. Some do speculate about the influence of Korean films, like Steve Sailer and the NYT. <BR/><BR/>Though I haven't read much about the VT shooting elsewhere, I do think Auster has the best take on the atrocity (NOT the post cited here) - that the man was deranged and should have been institutionalized, at least until proven to not be a danger to society. Auster contends that fifty years ago, such a man would be put away so as to protect society, and further, that liberalism is to blame. Is it? <BR/><BR/>Leftists warn against judging people, against making distinctions. It is quite plausible that this has weakend our resolve to take action when we find someone so evil or insane among us. <BR/><BR/>Theodore Dalrymple, a 'respectable' conservative, often writes of the British government's extreme leniency towards criminals ( http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_3_oh_to_be.html ). It is quite probable that liberalism is partly to blame if his writings are any guide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-92145486369158481542007-04-21T13:22:00.000-07:002007-04-21T13:22:00.000-07:00UBM,Thanks for your response and so as to clarify,...UBM,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your response and so as to clarify, you <B>AREN'T</B> claiming the illegitimacy of the question, but rather, the timing of the question? It is a legitimate question <I>asked</I> at an inappropriate time according to you and many others?<BR/><BR/>Next, I'm not sure you answered the question about Cho's race being a factor in the definitive? You seem to be claiming that if Cho's race was a factor in his murdering spree then the race of all murderers <I>must</I> be a factor in their murdering sprees? I don't see how you can suggest this conclusion. Certainly, race <B>may or may not</B> factor in a person's murdering spree, no?Thordaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15887901925655428541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486244714643027014.post-56858710158881160742007-04-21T09:18:00.000-07:002007-04-21T09:18:00.000-07:00UBM, I came here via Wolcott and am so impressed I...UBM, I came here via Wolcott and am so impressed I have been back-reading your entire blog. Spree killers are so depressingly similar, with their overblown sense of grievance and their desire to go out in a blaze of glory, taking others with them. In the case of the San Ysidro shooting, some in the Mexican community have long believed that Huberty explicitly targeted them. You can see articles alleging just that at Aztlan Networks, just to name one. It isn't out of the question that a spree killer might choose victims based on race, or on gender as in the Montreal shootings. They have all sorts of twisted justifications for whomever they decide to murder along with themselves. None of their decisions will make sense to a rational mind, so the question to me is whether it is even constructive to look at the choice of victim. It seems obvious from the evidence that Cho was targeting whichever student was unlucky enough to be in his path--but honestly, even if he did target primarily whites, we gain nothing by trying to divine why. His bloodlust was there and was going to find an outlet somewhere. It's the essential psychosis, the pathological inability to feel sympathy or deal with disabling rage that's the heart of the matter.The Sirenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13587505433284584391noreply@blogger.com